CLEVELAND, Ohio - When President Donald Trump ordered the U.S. Department of Education dismantled, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine was in the room.
We’re talking about how Ohio public schools could take another hit from DeWine and the Republican supermajority in the statehouse on Today in Ohio.
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We might not have all the answers on this one, but the impact of it could be monumental. And monumentally bad. Why was Mike DeWine in the room when Donald Trump signed an executive order Thursday to decimate the U.S. Department of education?
To put that story into perspective, Laura Hancock wrote a story detailing how much each Ohio school district has been receiving from the U.S. Department of Education. What are some of the big numbers?
Reporter Pete Krouse came up with a delightful, off the beaten path story about an interesting practice, and Northeast Ohio ranks high for it. What’s the story?
Donald Trump’s tariffs have people in all sorts of industries buzzing about how they might be affected. The brewing industry is one, and beer expert Marc Bona takes an eye-opening look. What did he learn?
Sherrod Brown and Connie Schultz have been Northeast Ohio fixtures for decades, but no more. Why have they abandoned us?
Businesses owned by stockholders have been learning tough lessons in recent years about consequences of taking political stands. How is Dave Yost joining an effort to teach Target such a lesson?
Why is Lorain, which has a significant poverty rate, having so many problems getting kids into Head Start programs to prepare them for school?
This should not have been an issue to begin with. What does Attorney General Dave Yost say about the possibility of spending our health and human service taxes – approved by voters to help people in need – to erect buildings?
What’s the local connection to the astronauts who were stranded in the International Space Station for nine months, and how did they finally get home?
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Chris Quinn (00:00.983)
I got to say this for my wife whose beloved Michigan state is in town for the NCAAs. Go green. It’s Today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer. I’m Chris Quinn here today with Lisa Garvin, Laura Johnston, and Courtney Astolfi. Leila Tasi is taking a couple of days off. We might not have all the answers on this one, Laura, but the impact of it could be monumental and potentially monumentally bad.
Why was Mike the Wine in the room when Donald Trump signed an executive order Thursday to decimate the U.S. Department of Education?
Laura (00:39.63)
Well, this was a good question all day long, right? Because it’s not like Mike DeWine is especially Trumpy, but he was there right behind Linda McMahon, the education secretary signed in right in that White House East Room when Donald Trump ordered her to take all steps necessary to shutter the department, return education authority to the states while also calling for uninterrupted delivery of all of those services, programs and benefits the Americans rely upon, which seems like a very tall order.
And Trump said, we’re going to be returning education very simply back to the states where it belongs. He said, governors were happy about it. And DeWine ended up lauding these efforts to give more states, to give states more control over the education. said, every student, family and community is different. In Ohio, we’ve achieved great results by focusing on our administration’s priorities, like improving literacy achievement, ensuring all students have pathways to thrive in our workforce and more. This was a prepared statement. He knew he was going to get questions about this.
He says it’s time to take the next step and they want the flexibility to tailor their efforts. This is just, it raises so many questions because it’s not like the Trump administration has a track record for protecting the most vulnerable or helping those who need the help the most. And when you look at Ohio and you look at the billion dollars they’re spending on private school vouchers and the cuts that are coming for public schools, another hundred million that Laura Hancock has written about, it’s just very precarious.
Chris Quinn (02:08.271)
On the other hand, this department has only existed since 1979. And from 1979 to now, the US education system has not improved. It’s gotten worse, which is the point Donald Trump is trying to make. He campaigned on this and a lot of Republicans have been wanting to kill this thing ever since. A lot of the education programs existed before the Department of Education and kind of gathered them all up. The frightening part of this is
The move away from public schools. Republicans have decided that our public schools are a bad idea. It’s almost like they want to kill off the thing that made us all equal. And they want to have elites and have people who aren’t. And if all of the money that the feds provided for education goes to the states for the states to decide, well, we know what Ohio is doing. It’s giving all the money to rich people to send their kids to private school.
Laura (02:40.152)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (03:07.491)
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They’re decimating public schools. And if that’s what the result of this is, and Mike DeWine and the legislature have been on a mission to do that, this is terrible for the future of public education in Ohio. It’s terrible for the idea that we all deserve an equal chance.
Lisa (03:13.144)
you
Laura (03:26.934)
You’re right, because the way the ladder out of poverty is education, right? Like you go, you get an education, you have a career, you support your family. And if they’re, you know, they are decimating public education, what chance do these kids have? Because sure, you can get a voucher, but that doesn’t cover all of the cost of private education. So the idea for private school vouchers originally, what they said was to make the public schools better, that there would be more competition.
Lisa (03:47.038)
education.
Lisa (03:55.512)
and therefore they would have to scrape up their ass.
Laura (03:55.788)
and therefore they would have to straighten up their act. That’s not what’s happening. The private school gets to pick who they want to take. Kids with disabilities and disadvantages are largely going to public schools. And that’s what the federal Department of Education, that’s where a lot of their money goes to. We’re talking about a lot of money. For Cleveland schools, something like $10,000 from the state, a similar amount from the taxpayers, and then $6,000 from the federal government.
Lisa (04:18.712)
state a similar amount from the taxpayers and then $6,000 from the federal government for each student. So this is not a pit in the schools that need
Laura (04:23.49)
for each student. this is not a pittance in the schools that need help. This is a lot of money and the
Chris Quinn (04:30.177)
And they’ll give it to private schools because that’s all they’re doing. It’s terrible. The trend that’s going on in Ohio, and we’ve been talking about this needs to get to the ballot because I think voters would stop it overnight. This will be the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. On the other hand, the federal education department was behind a lot of the national report card and all this teaching to the test, which hasn’t worked, right?
Laura (04:56.398)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (04:58.913)
The teaching to the test has not made kids smarter going to college. The colleges will tell you that the quality of the students they see is lower now than ever before. And that’s partly what the federal government does. It took a lot of control from teachers, forced them into this program where the curricula was set by above, and it has not worked. So you can’t say that...
The Department of Education was a great thing and worth saving because its record is pretty much abysmal. But if you spend this money the right way, if the states were to say, good, let’s get rid of teaching to the test, let’s go back to fundamental education, be great. But I don’t think that’s what Mike DeWine will do.
Lisa (05:31.852)
I-
Lisa (05:44.384)
Well, and I don’t think that’s going to happen. You’re going to have states that are going to set their own curriculum, their own agenda. They might be teaching creationism in schools and things like that, depending on the state.
Chris Quinn (05:53.182)
Exactly. Yep.
Laura (05:54.956)
Right, like we just talked about climate change being considered controversial and so you have to see both sides in college. I mean, come on. I agree with you, Chris. Teaching to the test is taking up a whole lot of time for these kids. Wasn’t it Bush’s administration that did No Child Left Behind? Yeah, so this has been a Republican thing. I agree. I just don’t have a lot of faith in Ohio. That’s my problem.
Chris Quinn (06:12.525)
Yeah.
Lisa (06:12.759)
Yes.
Chris Quinn (06:18.881)
No, they’re about to leave a whole lot of children behind. Every dollar you take out of public education really hurts the people who need it the most. the Cleveland schools, which are dealing with kids in poverty, which presents a huge challenge in education, will have a harder time. And I think that’s what the Republicans want. We don’t care about poor people. We don’t care about people of color.
Laura (06:33.23)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (06:44.899)
our constituents are rich white people, let’s provide more money to them.
Laura (06:47.926)
Right, they’re getting rid of everything that creates equity.
Chris Quinn (06:51.863)
Right. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. To put that story into perspective, Laura Hancock wrote a story detailing how much each Ohio school district has been receiving from the U.S. Department of Education. Courtney, what are some of the big numbers?
Courtney (07:07.508)
Yeah, we’ve seen here that federal dollars, like you guys were discussing, play a significant role in local education funding. Schools in Ohio really rely on three main sources of income here. It’s the federal money, some state money, and local property taxes. And on the federal side of that kind of three-legged funding stool, the U.S. Department of Education sends a good chunk of money, especially here in Cleveland. If you’re curious about your local school district,
definitely check out Laura’s story, but in Cleveland, the federal portion is about $6,600 per student. The state chips in about 10 grand per student and local property taxes pay about nine. So at federal money, it’s about one quarter of Cleveland schools money, which is, know, we talked to some experts and they said, okay, if this federal money does go away,
You’re just gonna be left to make up the difference with your local property taxes.
Chris Quinn (08:09.387)
Which Cleveland can’t afford. That would be an enormous increase in the property taxes of Cleveland and most people in Cleveland can’t afford it. But do you trust our legislature, even if the fed said, we’re not going to cut the money, we’re going to give it to the states to give out. Do you trust the wind or the legislature to do the right thing with that money given what they’ve been doing these last five years?
Courtney (08:31.432)
We’re already hearing chatter from legislators about what they would do if this were switched from like specific funding streams into block grants where the states decide how to spend that money. One state Senator Andrew Brenner, a Republican who chairs the Senate committee, said, you know, he’s already starting to brainstorm how Ohio would invest that money. And we also heard from Representative Sarah Fowler Arthur, chair of the House committee.
saying hi, excuse me, Ohio could do some more creative things. like you guys pointed out, the creative things Ohio has been doing in recent years is pumping a bunch of money into private schools.
Chris Quinn (09:15.725)
Gary Staff, you’re listening to Today in Ohio. Reporter Pete Krause came up with a delightful off the beaten path story about an interesting practice and Northeast Ohio ranks high for it. What’s the story Lisa?
Lisa (09:29.048)
Yeah, it’s all about polar plunges. Those crazy people that like to jump into really cold water. So this was a survey by a mental health provider known as AMFM or a mission for Michael. They surveyed 3,100 people and they found that Headlands Beach in Mentor ranked number three and the top 100 beaches for polar plunges. Number one was Brighton Beach in Brooklyn and number two was Lake McDonald in Glacier National Park in Montana. So a lot of people
you know, tout the benefits of cold water immersion. Some people say it’s a chance to connect with nature. There’s an endorphin release when your system is shocked by all that cold. People say it helps decrease stress and ease anxiety. We talked to sports medicine doctor, Dr. Dominic King from the Cleveland Clinic. He says he believes in the benefits of polar plunges.
But he says you have to be careful. can’t just be an out of shape person jumping into the water. You have to condition yourselves. And actually they say the best way to condition yourself for a polar plunge is start with a bath or shower at 58 to 60 degrees. That’s chilly. And I know from talking with Laura who loves to swim the lake, she won’t get in the lake unless it’s 68 degrees.
Chris Quinn (10:41.677)
I think these people are out of their ever loving minds. There’s nothing in our evolution that would say this is part of good health. I guarantee you that throughout our evolution, we’ve stayed away from freezing cold water if we can. And anybody that’s ever gone into freezing cold water knows the breath goes right out of you. It’s such a shock to the system.
Lisa (10:59.603)
out of you.
Laura (11:01.402)
I think there are those Nordic cultures, right, who do that with the sauna and they go back and forth. But the thing about Lake Erie is you have to run into it and then dive in. Like, that’s harder psychologically than just jumping in a lake.
Lisa (11:06.392)
Sauna. Mm-hmm. Yes.
Lisa (11:17.504)
Hmm. Yeah, that’s a good point. You know, a lot of people say, you know, there’s the research is anecdotal, but a lot of people say it reduces inflammation and improves circulation. It boosts metabolism. But if you think about it, like Laura said, you know, people go from the sauna to the they’ll jump in the snow and go back in the sauna. And that really does boost your circulation.
Chris Quinn (11:38.243)
I don’t know. When I was a kid, I grew up near the Jersey shore, so we would be down there all the time. And there were times where currents would bring in some cold water. And when I talk about cold, I’m talking roughly 60 degrees, not what they’re talking about. And you did, if you were a kid and you wanted to ride the waves, you would brave it and you would dive in to get yourself accustomed to it. But it didn’t take long before your lips turned blue and you were shivering and you nearly, I think it’s a crazy.
Lisa (11:58.636)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Quinn (12:06.509)
crazy thing, but interesting that we have a beach that’s one of the tops out there for people to do this and credit to Pete for finding the story. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Donald Trump’s tariffs have people in all sorts of industries buzzing about how they might be affected. The brewing industry is one and beer expert Mark Bona takes an eye opening look at it. Laura, what did he learn?
Laura (12:30.274)
Well, aluminum is going to be more expensive and that is going to make all of that more expensive. So basically, while the current climate is tough to nail down, we don’t know what’s coming around the pike, Fathead’s Brewery sees potential problems. And it’s not just the aluminum, even though the United States accounts for 90 % of the total value of aluminum exports from Canada. It’s stuff like malt.
which they’re using to make the beer, and that’s coming from Canada. But in 2017, aluminum cans used in the cans was the single most substantial cost in American beverage and beer manufacturing. I would not have bet that. And they’ve already seen a lot of increase in that. And the next round of tariffs take effect April 2nd. So they’ve got to see what’s going to happen. Kegs are produced in China or overseas. A lot of these companies lease the kegs. They don’t actually buy them.
but that will go up more too. while you just, you think of a local brewery as well, these are local products, they’re actually using things from around the world to make them.
Chris Quinn (13:40.257)
I wonder if this spurs a renewed interest in home brewing because people get tired of paying the high prices and they don’t need aluminum. They need to get malt, but America produces a lot of its own malt.
Laura (13:50.752)
Yeah, I guess 40 % of the brewery barley grown in North America comes from Canada. Obviously, that’s not the only ingredients. The fish and chips they serve in their brewery comes from, I think, Newfoundland. this is going to affect a lot of different things. when they started canning beer, Royal Docks, company, in 2017, it cost $0.16 to $0.18 per can based on size. Now it’s $0.32, and that could keep going up.
will affect, I mean it sounds 16 cents is not a lot, right? But if you’re buying six pack, 12 pack, 24 pack, it’s all gonna go up.
Chris Quinn (14:28.747)
Yeah, that’s real inflation. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Sherrod Brown and Connie Schultz have been Northeast Ohio fixtures for decades, but no more. Courtney, why have they abandoned us?
Courtney (14:43.232)
You know, we learned from Connie Schultz in a sub, in a, excuse me, in a sub stack post on Wednesday that the couple has moved to the Columbus area from their long time home up here in Northeast Ohio. And Schultz tells us this is mostly about their family and their work. They want to be closer to their grandkids. A lot of them are down in the Columbus area, but obviously this move comes after Brown lost his reelection bid. And I got to think if he was still in office.
I’m not so sure this move would have happened, but you know, Schultz in her post kind of put to bed the notion that this was related to Brown’s political future. She said she was making this announcement to get ahead of the usual political speculation about why they’re willing to make this move. She explained it’s going to put them closer to five of their eight grandkids. And when the others come to visit, it just makes it easier for the whole family to get together. Also.
Schultz works in Granville at Denison University, so it’s going to cut her commute down from two and a half hours to about half an hour.
Chris Quinn (15:49.291)
Yeah, think some think that this was a move for her work, but anybody who knows Connie knows that she’s telling it straight. She’s dedicated to family. She wants to be near her grandkids. And anybody with grandkids could probably understand that and accept it. I sent out a note to the people who get the texts I send out every morning a week ago asking them if they read anybody on Substack. And it was stunning.
the huge percentage of people who get those texts who number one was Connie Schultz, number two was Heather Cox Richardson, but Connie has a very loyal following on Substack. And I suspect that some of them are disappointed that she is no longer among us in Northeast Ohio, but clearly will understand why.
Courtney (16:37.62)
It sounds like some of her new neighbors down in Bexley are already taking notice of this prominent couple’s appearance in their neighborhood in Bexley, which is on the Southeast side of town. But we asked Sherrod Brown’s team about this move and they just pointed us right on back to that substat.
Chris Quinn (16:55.713)
Yeah, and I don’t think this means that they’re no longer interested in Northeast Ohio. They’ve got a lot of time invested in it. It sounds like they really are doing it because they want to be closer to family. We wish them well. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Businesses owned by stockholders have been learning tough lessons in recent years about the consequences of taking political stands. How is Dave Yost joining an effort to teach Target such a lesson, Lisa?
Lisa (17:23.16)
Yeah, Yoast got permission from the Ohio State Teachers Retirement System to join a federal lawsuit against Target Stores. That lawsuit that was filed in February by the Florida Attorney General accuses Target of misleading and defrauding investors on the risks of its 2023 Pride campaign. The merchandise of that campaign went viral on social media, it provoked immense customer backlash.
that led to a $25 billion loss in market capitalization for Target, and it was their first sales loss in six years. In the letter, Yost said that this cost the STRS portfolio $5 million. Now the vote by the STRS board to do this was unanimous, but it was a reversal of their previous stance. They didn’t want to join the suit because they said the loss amount was below their threshold for joining it.
But then Yost told them, say, hey, you’re not in a position to reject the opportunity to recover money for retired teachers.
Chris Quinn (18:22.381)
There’s a couple of things about this that are interesting because Target is getting it from both sides in Ohio. Norm Edwards of the Black Contractors Group has been staging protests at the Target in Cleveland because they abandoned those self-same DEI initiatives. So Yost is going after them because they had those initiatives and Norm Edwards is going after them because they abandoned them. But here’s my question on this. When you invest in a company, you’re investing in
what they’re doing. And if they do something that you disagree with that tumbles their stock, isn’t that part of the risk of investing? You’re putting your money behind them. They’re trying to navigate. How do you sue them for making a mistake? You put your money in them. You took the gamble. You don’t have to put your money into them. These lawsuits seem fairly specious now. It’s, well, you were behind DEI. We’re going to crucify you for that. But there is a risk.
Lisa (19:16.183)
Right.
Chris Quinn (19:19.637)
in anybody’s investment. Whenever you put money in the stock market, the company you’ve invested in makes decisions you may not agree with. I don’t see how you can hold them accountable for the losses for their decision making like this.
Lisa (19:21.439)
Absolutely.
Lisa (19:34.506)
No, I agree. And when I read the story, I thought, okay, yeah, all investment is risk. And how many people I’m part of the Texas TRS pension. I don’t know what they have everything invested in. And I don’t think Ohioans do either, you know, and this is virtue signaling. That’s all it is.
Chris Quinn (19:50.851)
I mean, this would be like suing the team that you bet on for losing. I mean, gamblers bet on teams to win. They don’t win. Well, I disagree with the coaching decisions. I’m going to sue the coach because he cost my money. This is exactly like that. And it just seems like it’s total BS to me. But it also is a warning for companies that are out there selling stuff to people when they take political positions. It’s very unpopular. Look what’s happening to Tesla.
Not only have their sales collapsed, people are vandalizing the cars. And that’s because Elon Musk has taken these strong political positions. You are listening to Today in Ohio. Laura, why is Lorraine, which has a significant poverty rate, having so many problems getting kids prepared for school with pre-K programs?
Laura (20:42.444)
Well, no one’s 100 % sure of this. That’s why they’re going to do a study. But a lot of this comes down to money because if you can’t get into a publicly funded preschool, it’s really expensive as we talk about all the time because this is part of early childhood education. But this is a great story by Hannah Drown. So over the past three years, close to about 50 % of the incoming kindergartners at Lorain City Schools have started without any
preschool experience. they might come in not knowing how to write their name, their numbers, anything for letters. They’ve had no formal education at all. And while that’s, unfortunately, the state rate is not great. It’s about 40%, which is mind blowing to me. This is 10 % worse than that. So sorry. Yo.
The district has launched a citywide collaboration of all their early education professionals to confront this problem, figure out why they’re not going, especially when there are open seats in some of Lorraine’s 77 registered programs. So those are 77 programs. They’re not all public and they do charge tuition.
Chris Quinn (21:53.231)
I just was surprised that a county in proximity to Cleveland where we’ve talked about the significance of pre-K ad nauseum for a decade now or more could be that far behind.
Laura (22:05.538)
Right, I agree because Cuyahoga County, and it’s the county that’s taking this on. This was an Ed Fitzgerald idea as far as I remember, and then went to Armand Budish to expand it, the idea of universal pre-kindergarten in Cuyahoga County where you can get a scholarship for your child for up to 50 % of the cost if you make up to 400 % of the poverty level. So again, not 100%, although if you’re in Cleveland schools, you can get into those public pre-K programs and a lot of districts.
You have to show a disability or be a peer model and you might have to pay for it. But they don’t have the universal pre-K program in Lorain County. And this is just Lorain City Schools itself trying to tackle it.
Chris Quinn (22:48.727)
This story is part of our expanded interest into Lorraine. Hannah Drown is spending a good bit of time covering significant issues there. And this was a winner for her. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. This should not have been an issue to begin with, but what does Attorney General Dave Yoas say about the possibility of spending our health and human service taxes approved by voters to help people in need with services to erect buildings, Courtney?
Courtney (23:15.538)
No way. And apparently this has settled law that Yoast is just reaffirming. This development comes after Cuyahoga County voters last year renewed a health and human services levy. And shortly after that, county council members got worried that some officials wanted to use some of that money to build new buildings instead of, you know, using it on what we traditionally think of it going towards like substance abuse treatment, the county hospital.
Ohio Protective Services and Homeless Services. So when County Council asked the county prosecutor to weigh in on this, fearing that somehow this money would be used on buildings, we heard then from Ohio AG Dave Yost, and it seems like he’s finally put that question to bed, but it also kind of seems like it was never up in the air in the first place. So Yost tells us that these dollars cannot be used for the quote,
wholly separate purpose of constructing permanent improvements. basically, according to the prosecutor’s office, this is just reaffirming that well-settled law. To our knowledge, according to the prosecutor’s office, county officials have observed this rule and they intend to continue observing this rule in the spending of these HHS dollars. But apparently this all goes back to something involving the Adams Board last year.
It gets about $41 million in levy money and it runs the diversion center. It has plans to open a new behavioral health center. And maybe that’s related here. For what it’s worth, the AdamSport CEO says he was never confused about the law and they never had a plan to use this money for capital projects.
Chris Quinn (25:03.095)
What’s worrisome is that they ask the question. What was it that drove them to ask the question? And it might be that there were people anxious that the money was going to be misused and they asked the question to make sure it wouldn’t be. But the fact that we had to ask the question at all makes you think somebody somewhere was going to abuse the voter by misusing this money. And that’s what’s frightening here. All the right things happened in the end, but why did we have to ask?
Courtney (25:33.354)
You know, in the county prosecutor’s letter to Dave Yost, he like straight up said the Adams board was intending to use funds for these items. But obviously it’s a different story when we talk to the Adams board.
Chris Quinn (25:45.315)
Okay, you’re listening to Today in Ohio. Lisa, what’s the local connection to the astronauts who were stranded in the International Space Station for nine months, and how did they finally get home?
Lisa (25:56.32)
Yeah, Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore were stuck in space for 286 days. They were only supposed to be up there for a week. They finally splashed down Tuesday off Tallahassee, Florida. And Williams is a Euclid native, although not by much. Her father, who is an Indian fella, interned at Euclid General Hospital, and then he became an anatomy professor at Case Western Reserve.
Her mother is a Northeast Ohio native of Slovenian descent. And actually Williams, when she went up to space in a previous trip, she took a Slovenian flag and smoked sausage from Asmins Meat Market on East 185th. She took that up to space with her. you know, she was born in 1965. Her family moved to Boston a year later. She considers Needham, Massachusetts her hometown and now lives in Houston as most astronauts do.
But yeah, she, you know, they went up there on the maiden voyage of the Boeing Starliner rocket, which immediately had problems. So they had to come back on a SpaceX rocket.
Chris Quinn (27:01.943)
Yeah. And it was funny, Trump was taking credit for this, but Biden arranged all this back in September. So Trump is just full of nonsense. He likes to take credit for things that he had nothing to do with. What I’ll be interested to see is the health effects. If they were planning to be there for a few days or weeks and they’re there for nine months outside of gravity, what happens to their muscles and all of that? It’s always interesting when we do long-term studies of people in space, especially when
Lisa (27:04.768)
Yes, he was.
Lisa (27:30.24)
Yeah.
Chris Quinn (27:30.979)
They weren’t expecting to be there.
Lisa (27:33.344)
Right, and you know, people do grow. I mean, when you’re living in low or zero gravity, you know, you have nothing pushing down on your body. So they actually grow by, you know, half an inch to an inch. And then you get, you know, of course they exercise every day to keep their muscles in tone. But yeah, there’s, you know, when you’re in no gravity and you go back to gravity, it’s almost like you feel this terrible weight on your shoulders. You know, it’s very different.
Chris Quinn (27:57.697)
Yeah, I know. And for nine months, they had to be feeling that weight when they landed, but at least they got home safely.
Lisa (28:05.43)
You know what I was thinking about them, you know, because when they went up, Donald Trump was not president. And they’re coming back to a completely different world. Right?
Chris Quinn (28:11.222)
Ha ha.
And maybe they wanted to stay up there longer where, you know, was all peace and unicorns and rainbows in space. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. That’s it for the week of news. Thanks, Courtney. Thanks, Lisa. Thanks, Laura. Thank you for listening. We’ll be back Monday talking about the news.